Fuck Yr Brotherhood by Honey Andres (new column)

Fuck Yr Brotherhood

COLUMN | Fuck Yr Brotherhood
AUTHOR | Honey Andres

“ When sexism is the scene, its hurting more than just mainstream society…”

– Breaking the Silence, Garmonbozia

(Image by Melting Yellow blog)

I was twelve when my brother let me listen to the music he listened to. He let me read his zines too and created a Myspace account for me. I was thirteen when I attended my first local hardcore show. And then the next. And the next. And a couple more within the local punk scene too, and an eternity of feeling invisible; either I comply with the women punk-hardcore aesthetic or do something high key, if I want to ’be’ included in the scene. And besides, I am a girl. The scene is a brotherhood.

My first hardcore-punk heartbreak was: living in the shadows of my brother. My brother used to play for a couple of bands and made zines. He definitely was the first person, ever, to introduce me to hardcore-punk music. However, I never attended any shows with him (there were a couple where we were at the same show but never together). People who knew we were related used to call me using his name but adding the word *girl at the end of it. It was either people wouldn’t hang out with me because he was my brother and I was seen as a little girl or, they would BECAUSE he was my brother. I felt invisible part one. Part two was when I started making my own zines and giving my two cents about social issues, my intelligence was still, attributed to him.

Feeling invisible and heartbroken part three was when I dated one admired dude from a HC band last year. I came out to the Bane Final Show with him and the next day, was showered with friend invites from Facebook. Some people who never talked to me, and who made me feel invisible, suddenly started associating with me. There were even invites of hanging out which of course, required and requested his presence. There was this one time I got into a FB argument with another known dude who plays in a HC band too, who previously had an argument with someone I had dated,  and upon knowing that I was dating him, made him assume that I was speaking out for him, like I didn’t have a mind of my own. I started friend-ing more people from the scene yet it made me feel the friendship weren’t genuine. I got into more arguments with dudes I had been trying to hold accountable for sexist, misogynistic, homophobic, transmisogynistic behaviors but it made me more and more anxious. It felt like I’d forever be living in the shadows or in fear. The shadows of dudes I associated with, the fear of dudes from the scene.

Heartbreak number four was when I had a conversation with a woman who fronts a local hardcore band and how pissed off she was that her Facebook newsfeed was full of sexist posts by dudes from the scene or them complimenting women who front hardcore bands as ‘cute chicks’ whose angst and anger were too cute, as if their relevance was only accessories to beautify the scene and glorify men.

The scene gave me the most painful heartbreak in the name of sexism and misogyny, compared to what I’ve experienced from the mainstream society. I ofter wonder why there are so few girls in the scene. I wonder why there are less women fronted bands. I wonder why there will be times a couple of women will be around and will suddenly disappear. Or there will be some staying but they’re not into addressing the sexism within the scene. I can never expect the scene to be ‘completely’ a safe space for women or marginalized folks, even the most radical spaces within activist/radical spaces or anarchists communities aren’t, but the people in these communities are always doing their best to make it less unsafe and continuously addressing and having conversations about these issues (eg. sexism, misogyny, homophobia, transmisogyny, *gender based oppressions* etc), unlearning oppressive behaviors no matter how uncomfortable it is in the hope of creating a genuine community that’s built on respect and solidarity and not lip service, and this is what I feel to be lacking within the local scene I have. It shouldn’t be an excuse that because the scene seems to be apolitical (I would even bet that the scene helps you become politically conscious and that staying apolitical is more about privilege) makes it fine to normalize shitty behaviors which perpetuates violence towards folks who are seen to be less relevant or that it is fine to not even try to understand how the violence and oppression we try to resist through our songs or that which we write about in our zines, which we scream angrily about, are present in our own selves and that we are projecting them towards our scene and the people in it.

There are dudes who talk to me about these issues and I feel a great deal of sincerity with them being allies, and for this I am thankful, but they’re outnumbered by dudes who constantly sing anti-sexism lyrics or claim they were allies yet exhibit sexist and misogynistic behaviors and try to justify it. Most will play ‘bystanders’, afraid of damaging relationships with people, with their brotherhood, with hardcore unity, because they think that conversations like this will likely cause fights because it is being too PC or politically correct (as if political correctness is shameful). People often give a pass to someone who’s called out for abusive/problematic behaviors just because it is people they admire, people from their favorite bands (imposing respectability politics) or they were friends. There will be a couple of women too (because being a woman never excuses a person of perpetuating misogyny too) who will attack me and call me names because what I’ve experienced seems to be impossible for them and that makes it harder and more painful. 

People try to encourage me to educate people by writing or by being less ‘militant’ when talking/arguing so I will be effective, but is that really my job?  Do I need to fucking calm down when every single issue I am trying to address, which I receive shrugged cold shoulders, come from the same people who shout their lungs out and brag about how awake they are? Do I need to be polite for something that is damaging me forever as a person because what I have experienced is because I am a woman? Do I need to be patient for unwilling people who are always missing the point because they’re dismissive and in denial? Do I owe men education or do men owe me for the violence I have experienced from them regardless of how “small” it may seem?

Dudes in the scene often label me as a ‘feminazi’ or a misandrist yet at the same time it is my feminism that most men mistake me for being someone ready to jump in bed with anyone who shows interest in me. I am tired of these double standards. I am tired of endless justification and excuses and cold shrugging shoulders. I am tired of having to educate. I am tired of your slogans of ‘unity’ as if what it actually means is loyalty with your toxic masculine brotherhood. 

Men in the hardcore scene aren’t awake from birth but it is your fucking job to make yourself well aware of women’s issues and it is your fucking job to be critical of yourself and your actions and behaviors –- every single fucking day. IT IS YOUR FUCKING JOB TO CHANGE, TO UNLEARN YOUR OPPRESSIVE BEHAVIORS and it is no ones obligation to educate you of your privileges and how it can be oppressive in an almost impossible shade. Your tenure-ship and friendship, the number of records you listen to or zines you’ve read or shows you’ve attended, people you’ve associated with or what’s in your playlist or what you claim yourself to be, NONE will determine if you are sexist or misogynistic or not, nor it will excuse you for being one. Women will tell you if you are, and if we do, stop justifying yourself that you are not, listen and hold yourselves accountable. And it starts with admitting that you are not excused from being problematic (we all are, it’s what we do about them that makes a difference). When someone tells you that you’ve hurt them, no matter how impossible it may seem, listen and try holding yourself back from justifying that you didn’t. You don’t get to determine what the impact of your actions will be, regardless of it’s intention. When someone talks about their pain from the scene or the people in it, do not invalidate them just because you didn’t experience the same thing. Their pain is as valid as yours.

Let me end this angry rant with a phrase from a writing by Mellow Yellow, “Maybe then can there be a community of us. I think we all just want to feel like we belong somewhere and it’s especially hard where you can never feel fully comfortable in any established communities, and at this point, I know it’s not a place I will ever “find” but a place we have to make for ourselves….Music is so personal/political”.

Sexism – power imbalance that is systematic and institutionalized, commonly between women (as oppressed) and men (as oppressor). For those who will argue about reverse sexism, please see http://stfu-moffat.tumblr.com/post/45043580758/shitstraightwhiteguyssay-excuse-the-sloppiness.

Misogyny- hatred of woman.

Homophobia – negative attitudes and feelings toward homosexuality or people who are identified or perceived as being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender (LGBT). (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia)

Transmisogyny – “the negative attitudes, expressed through cultural hate, individual and state violence, and discrimination directed toward trans women and trans and gender non-conforming people on the feminine end of the gender spectrum.” (http://everydayfeminism.com/2014/01/transmisogyny/)

Intersectionality – “a framework that must be applied to all social justice work, a frame that recognizes the multiple aspects of identity that enrich our lives and experiences and that compound and complicate oppressions and marginalizations.” (http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/01/why-our-feminism-must-be-intersectional/)

Editor: Honey Andres is a woman of color, based in the Philippines, who runs a small zine distro called Mad Womxn’s Project and who helped found Incog Press (a radical reading press). She made a series of perzines called Candies and Whims which mostly talks about womxn’s issues, mental health, music and intersectional feminism.

UniteAsia.org is an underground Asian music news website created for the sole purpose of supporting our own world. We support all bands and genres HOWEVER we do not support nor have any sympathy for homophobic, racist, sexist rhetoric in lyrical content or band material. UNITE ASIA!


  1. athena

    August 26, 2016 at 1:34 pm

    fuck you fake

    • Unite Asia

      August 27, 2016 at 3:23 pm

      wow – what a great point to make. must’ve pondered over your own reflection of this piece for a few days to come up with this profound response.

  2. Phillip Peno

    August 27, 2016 at 6:19 am

    Your article just reads like a bad parody of USA social media identity politics. The fact that you are a narcissistic Facebook troll who spends their whole lives posting endless selfies and bizarre attention seeking rants does not help your cause either.

    • Honey

      August 29, 2016 at 10:02 am

      @Phillip – If I am not helpful in achieving my cause, maybe you can tell me how? Id love to hear. Also, is this the first time you hear a woman of color speak out about her oppression which you believe to be a parody of white people’s identity politics?

      And seriously, how did you know I post selfies cost my profile is on private? Like for real, you stalk me just so you can look into something you can shame me about instead of maybe, providing constructive criticism for my writing.

      You definitely validated the point of this writing. 🙂

  3. Honey

    August 29, 2016 at 10:04 am

    *cause my profile..

  4. Honey

    August 29, 2016 at 10:39 am

    cost – cause – because.

  5. speech defect

    August 29, 2016 at 8:39 pm

    it’s kind of frustrating to know that even if the 90s was a benchmark for a politically conscious hc-punk community (following the US-euro influences), we still have to deal with issues that we should’ve addressed if people were putting the lyrics they have screames to practice. unfortunately, it would seem that the adage of being more than music isn’t really true.

  6. hanna

    October 16, 2016 at 10:46 am

    can’t figure out why the post didn’t show up. but check this out > http://bit.ly/2dkngU5 & http://bit.ly/2eki3Op

    couldn’t really figure who she is and her hardcore boyfriend. doesn’t ring a bell here.

    • Honey

      October 17, 2016 at 9:28 am

      “when I dated one admired dude from a HC band last year.”
      But nice try.

      Should I ring a bell before what I wrote matter? Coz if that’s the case then you’ve just validated the point of this post.

    • Honey

      October 17, 2016 at 9:58 am

      Doesn’t ring a bell but able to assume who the fuck I am and attached a picture of *me* here. Bahahaha. Nice. Nice slut-shaming, aye.

    • Unite Asia

      October 17, 2016 at 10:06 am

      check out what? why did you include a photo of her? why do we need to see this photo? i don’t understand the point of your comment at all. what’s worse in your post is that for some reason you seem to think that any person needs to be “known” to have a voice. what world of hardcore/punk rock do you live in that a person has to be a recognizable face to be able to speak their mind? honey isn’t running for political office.

      you might need to do a little bit more research into the background of this culture of ours. hardcore PRIDES itself in being a place where the voiceless are given a platform to speak up – some choose to do it through song, some do it through writing, some do it through photography, some through art.

      so what EXACTLY is the point of your post? besides trying to discredit the author of this article? if you feel this strongly, by all means write an article and submit it to us. we’ll gladly put it up to keep this conversation open.

  7. Al Dimalanta

    July 11, 2017 at 9:20 pm

    I am a subjective person and i have been in my local punk scene since the 90s though not as active as most in terms of communicating etc. But I feel this article is rushed and is not representative of all. The person who posted this is obviously commenting about a small niche of a scene that she has been involved in. It outs the rest in bad light. Sexism is an issue that is dominant in all corners of society and the world. Now I will turn it back on you? WHAT HAVE YOU DONE BESIDES RANTING ONLINE, you seem to be a person who hates moderates, how much have you participated in terms of protest, community organizing and integrating with the marginalized? Your article is moot and without merit, it sounds like a rant by a teenager. Not today, go out there and show me something believable and tangible. You make half assed allegations but is not confident enough to name names??? Grow up and open your eyes, knowing is half the….. nevermind

    • Honey Andres

      September 22, 2017 at 11:54 am

      Hi Al Dimalanta!

      Na old school mo naman ako. 🙂

      Your gatekeeping shit wont stop me from talking about things that doesnt AFFECT YOU DIRECTLY. Nice mansplaining btw.

      Asking me about my community work wont dismiss the fact that hardcore punk is a misogynistic space. Nasa hardcore ka na since 90’s? Di pa ko iniaanak pero I don’t give a fuck. Just because you dont know me or my name isnt in your exclusive sphere means I am nothing. I sound like a teenager? Right, because you sound like a typical bald hardcore dude who’s too protective of the scene he believe was all about him.

      You want to know what are the things I do beside ranting online? I help run a survivor group for women victims of rape and domestic abuse. I help organize discussions/dialogue’s/ accountability process that’s outside the hardcore scene. Nalubog ako sa kanayunan, help with fundraisings, community organizing itself etc. ‘Show me something thats believable’ — bakit sino ka? Why should I prove to you the things that I do to validate my point? I can actually fill in more than a couple of pages for a ‘resume’ if that’s what you need. But it doesn’t matter. You know how dumb you sound because you’re like telling a poor person they didn’t deserve to talk about them being poor and complain about their oppression because they do no community work, dismissing the fact that they can’t because they’d rather work to eat and survive.
      I work 9 hours a day, 5x a week, raise my 4 year old daughter and go to school.

      Also asking me to name names, bakit ako magrreport sayo? Authority ka ba sa hardcore punk that everyone’s supposed to involve you on things that you obv don’t care about.

      Take your gatekeeping shit somewhere else.

      • Honey Andres

        September 23, 2017 at 9:53 pm

        Update: Wow for you that you have to pretend to be Al just so you can say these things.

        Too brave of you. 🙂

  8. Peter

    September 23, 2017 at 4:12 pm

    Take actions not a keyboard warrior.. direct actions. You’re just asking for money. Dont give us a shit ..

    • Honey Andres

      September 23, 2017 at 9:52 pm

      Right. If commissioned work is asking money, then yes, I do.

      If the fundraising Ive helped organize is asking money, then yes, I do.

      If reaching out to my friends who personally helped me with cash, with full knowledge of my situation is asking money, then yes, I do.

      I also owe people some money which I am fully aware of.

      Still I am curious because what does all of these has to do with my writing?
      Why are you talking like I lied to people who SHARED their money to me IN THEIR OWN WILL? Do you know its shitty to under estimate people’s agency?

      Call me out on my shit and bring the receipts, I will be accountable.

      The next time you come here accussing me of things to invalidate my point in this writing, which ends unsuccessful for you, make sure you wouldnt be known and could hide well in your aliases.

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